Curse

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 08:17 PM // 20:17

*** send a private message to me either here or my in game name: emily death blade
*** and I will add your name to the list of innocent accounts banned by anet.

UPDATE:
The ban has nothing to do with my simple macro.
The ban appears to be for a 3rd party program that is probably a bot that they are referring to.
I along other players have been accused of having a 3rd party program which we just don't have.
The common scenario is that we were all in TOPK when we were farming and we banned.
Somehow, our builds, maneuvers, run paths, trigger some screen that got us banned.
I suggest at this time to avoid any or all farming in TOPK at this time of the underworld edge for ectos(A/me or Me/A builds), until this is resolved.
I am trying to work with customer service to see if they can figure out what the problem was and why it has netted innocent players; however, they are not being cooperative.

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Just wanted to warn people about TOPK and farming the ectos on the edge in the underworld.

I started to farm this area about 2 days ago with an A/me build. Today, I got a message that due to 3rd party/bot/etc, I have been permanently banned.

Unfortunately, the only things I have that might constitute anything would be my razermouse that has 1 macro that lasts 1 or 2 seconds of run time that requires me to be there to use it. And my g13 which I have used on occasional for heroes bonding or buffing macros, which again require me to be there to start it.

Both my razer and g13 have been with me a the entire time i have played the game around 8 months.

The only thing new was I started farming TOPK 2 days ago.

I know that there are TOPK bots, but apparently, I got wrongfully banned for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

So, word of caution about TOPK.

I have emailed support and have asked them to look into my account and see that it is legitimate and am awaiting their response.

I applaud GW for being aggressive with the bots, but being part of the collateral damage really sucks.

IGN of people who have been banned for illegal 3rd program use without just cause:
1) Light and Peace (Slight and Deadly was the sin)
2) Angels tread among (Mes that was banned)
3) Empress Dragonheart (A/me)

Lothlorian Sassun · Aug 23, 2010, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Good luck. I have heard both good and bad stories from ANET support. Sounds like you are not at fault and their logs should show that you were not a bot.

Good luck .

kanuks · Aug 23, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

What is razermouse and g13?

razermouse = mouse which you can program macro on?

What about g13?

Anyway you probably didn't get ban because you farmed topk. They probably banned you because they suspected you from using third party programs so you would have been banned regardless of the location you would farm in.

I'm not sure if they consider mouse-macro as a third party but it's still not the way the game was intended to be played and it's still unfair to peoples that don't use them.

Hope you get an answer from the support team so that you can at least know the reason why you got banned, let alone get unbanned.

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by thasadar606

well..prompt and clear:

"
Hello Alex,

Thank you very much for contacting the PlayNC Customer Support Team.

You asked if your new programmable keyboard was acceptable to use for playing Guild Wars. "What if...?" questions such as this are always tough to answer, because they have not happened yet. Nevertheless, I'll try to give you an understanding of what we might consider "right" and "wrong" when interacting with our service as it related to your new keyboard.

Using your programmable keyboard as a normal keyboard would certainly be fine. A keyboard is a basic tool that is virtually required to operate a computer and use our service. Each time you press a key, one character is typed or one action is made to happen and, in general, that is acceptable.

If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to fully automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software "played" the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action. ("You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NCsoft, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.")

Somewhere in between those two scenarios is a grey area. We can't make any "final judgments" on any grey area actions that have not yet occurred, and we will not speculate on all possible grey area scenarios and their outcomes. In general, please make sure that you are at your computer and playing your game. Ultimately, it is of utmost important to us that each character being played in Guild Wars is being operated by an actual person.

I know I wasn't able to provide a definitive rule that covered all possible scenarios, but I hope this helps your understanding of "helping one play" versus "playing for you" and what we would consider acceptable.

Regards
GM Greg"

so..you can use complex bindings but not such scripts that fully automate your FARMING and/or battle (and guys bea seriousl...WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS THE BORDER BETWEEN BOTING and a little help from our cool hardware... there are no such innocent BINDINGS used that get u banned...and I can confirm that...and so can Greg...I tried to use an advanced almoast cheat binding and the game reacted- i got kicked out of the game and a screen that tested my presence at the keyboard appeared -the game has multiple ways to check for bots and exploits..so..I hope this clears things up)

CONCLUSION:

/dance
/resign
/point

or

C+CTRL+SPACE

SURELY WILL NOT GET YOU BANNED...they are not stupid!

but to boost your energy at an inhumanly rate (at the punch-out farm in GUNNARS HOLD, or to spam skills activation will get the GameMasters attention... and be sure that when you feel you've done something bad...you surely did screw up big time)

Please excuse my long reply and my bold chars...but I have searched all over the internet for an answer and I hope this one jumps in one's eye...

Just for everyone's edication before this turns into a macro/illegal/legal war.

Ghost Dog · Aug 23, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Thousands have played this game with razers and g13's without a ban.

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanuks

What is razermouse and g13?

razermouse = mouse which you can program macro on?

What about g13?

Anyway you probably didn't get ban because you farmed topk. They probably banned you because they suspected you from using third party programs so you would have been banned regardless of the location you would farm in.

I'm not sure if they consider mouse-macro as a third party but it's still not the way the game was intended to be played and it's still unfair to peoples that don't use them.

Hope you get an answer from the support team so that you can at least know the reason why you got banned, let alone get unbanned.

G13 is like the G15 keyboard, just extra keys for macros if you need them. Again, something I haven't used in a while.

Femmefatal · Aug 23, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

If you use a macro that's a 3rd party system. It's not part of the game it's part of your hardware and the EULA clearly states no 3rd party usage of any kind. Ban acceptable goobye better luck next time you try to cheat.

Karate Jesus · Aug 23, 2010, 09:50 PM // 21:50

It's probably not your hardware that got you banned. You should appeal on the basis that you weren't botting and that you used macros. Macros are fine.

They have been banning a lot of A/Me and A/E lately. There are a couple of scripting bots used to farm ectos in ToPK that have gained public attention lately and are being used pretty frequently.

Just appeal and explain to them (in a more polite manner) that you weren't using this bot. The problem is that it's borderline undetectible and Anet isn't amazing at catching botters anyway.

Tbh, most of the big-time botters from the recent mass ban have gotten at least 1 of their accounts back. Most of them have gotten back their main accounts, minus thousands of ectos.

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

It's probably not your hardware that got you banned. You should appeal on the basis that you weren't botting and that you used macros. Macros are fine.

They have been banning a lot of A/Me and A/E lately. There are a couple of scripting bots used to farm ectos in ToPK that have gained public attention lately and are being used pretty frequently.

Just appeal and explain to them (in a more polite manner) that you weren't using this bot. The problem is that it's borderline undetectible and Anet isn't amazing at catching botters anyway.

Tbh, most of the big-time botters from the recent mass ban have gotten at least 1 of their accounts back. Most of them have gotten back their main accounts, minus thousands of ectos.

LOL, the crazy thing is that i didn't use any macros in TOPK ever. The macro's were used for chaining dash and pious haste (dash pious haste - 2 keys) when I was a noob runner. I haven't used the macro in a long time except for boring EOTN runs where I can click it and not worry about dying.

Like I said the only new thing that occured in the last week, was me -> TOPK.

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Femmefatal

If you use a macro that's a 3rd party system. It's not part of the game it's part of your hardware and the EULA clearly states no 3rd party usage of any kind. Ban acceptable goobye better luck next time you try to cheat.

As you can see right above your post, that I clearly linked a response from a GM about it. So, I don't think it's as simple as you think it is. And secondly, personal attack much on the basis of calling me a cheater?

Thx.

Karate Jesus · Aug 23, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Light And Peace

Like I said the only new thing that occured in the last week, was me -> TOPK.

Again, it's probably just because you were running a build similar to the one the botters have been using in ToPK and Anet just isn't great at catching the new stuff these guys are running.

Honestly, it's kind of ridiculous, but I just don't think Anet's support staff has the time or resources to actually catch these guys so they often catch innocent guys like you in a blanket ban of assassins in ToPK.

EDIT: And don't listen to Femmefatal. He/she has been trolling a lot lately.

MisterB · Aug 23, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Femmefatal

If you use a macro that's a 3rd party system. It's not part of the game it's part of your hardware and the EULA clearly states no 3rd party usage of any kind. Ban acceptable goobye better luck next time you try to cheat.

Third party software is not a violation of the EULA. Using 3rd party software is not against the rules, but using it to break the rules is, oddly enough, against the rules.
Macros are not a violation of the EULA. Macros that break the rules are a violation.

Using either or both violates the EULA when ANet or NCSoft feels like it, or if the gibbous moon beam pierces a cloud to strike a falling oak leaf 21 inches above the ground in Minnesota on the second Thursday in February, provided there have been no fires within 1,278 yards of said leaf for at least 3 weeks. Odds of detection are influenced by the proximity and population density of indigenous squirrels.

In other words, there is a gray area, and ANet refuses to clarify it.

TheodenKing · Aug 23, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Light And Peace

Like I said the only new thing that occured in the last week, was me -> TOPK.

A couple years ago I was doing some Kurzick stuff on my warrior and had walked into Altrumn Ruins. I then minimized the game window and looked up some things on wiki and guru. When I returned to the GW window, I was sitting at the login screen. When I attempted to log back in, I discovered I was permanently banned for botting.

So I created a support ticket. It took 24 hours, but they reviewed the code and discovered I was banned by mistake. As it turns out, at that time there were solo monk bots running out of Altrumn Ruins constantly. Since I happened to be inside Altrumn Ruins at the time Anet decided to sweep them up, I was inadvertently caught in the net.

I don't know if what happened to you was for a similar reason, or if they actually are detecting macros as trivial as what you may have been using. But I would imagine it was an error. Good luck!

ruk1a · Aug 23, 2010, 10:15 PM // 22:15

you were banned for no reason? working as intended. - ANet

Karate Jesus · Aug 23, 2010, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruk1a

you were banned for no reason? working as intended. - ANet

I can't believe I'm about to defend Anet, but here goes.

The truth is that it's unavoidable. Anet wants to catch bots, but they're just bad at it. They don't have the tools, they don't have the staff, and they don't have the resources.

Sometimes, their best bet is to blanket ban and then work out the innocents after. I know that sounds harsh, but they've been doing it for a while.

Sirius Bsns · Aug 23, 2010, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Bots run off of scripted/coded behavior. Mouses and keyboards are the same deal. I think Anet should declare any and all forms of automated/scripted game behavior botting and be done with it because they're relatively the same. If you're not playing the game manually, if you're playing on auto-pilot, you should be banned for it. Proof lay in their logs, so if they see any patterns of play that a human being is simply incapable of outputting [especially for extreme periods of time] they have enough to put your account on permanent suspension for botting. Botting is cheating no matter which way anyone looks at it, and just because it's sold in stores, it doesn't mean you can or should be able to apply it to online gaming. That's just my piece. If you ask me, your case is ban-worthy, but if they don't have it in their EULA they can't hit you with that.

Demonical · Aug 23, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

When I got banned a couple months ago (about a week after the mass bannings took place), I too was farming ToPK using the A/Me build from back then. After several go arounds with them they still wouldn't give a specific reason as to why, just that they detected a botting program on my system, which was totally not true. They finally caved in and lifted the IP ban but did not reinstate my old account. I wish you all the luck with your appeal but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Light And Peace · Aug 23, 2010, 10:40 PM // 22:40

first things first, figure out what I got banned for.

1) TOPK net that was thrown too wide.

2) If it was my use of macros, which might have nothing to do with TOPK.

And no, I wasn't playing on "auto-pilot". I have never botted or auto-piloted my play. As I stated earlier, all my macros are short-lived, non-repeating sequences that last no longer than a couple seconds.

No response from Support yet. It's been 3 hours since I emailed them.

Sirius Bsns · Aug 23, 2010, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Light And Peace

If it was my use of macros, which might have nothing to do with TOPK.

Precisely. Enough said.

Macro = Botting = Macro = Botting = Macro = Botting

There's no way around it.

Bristlebane · Aug 23, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Also consider your account might have been banned for different reasons, like if it got hacked by RMT's. Anet is very quick to ban hacked accounts and if you're lucky, you only lost your gold and maybe a sup vigor or two, and all your ectos